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    Posted: 07 Feb 2019 at 9:10am
Hello guys. So, this is my first post, and as the subject shows, I'm pretty much a newb when it comes to gaming pc's. I've never done my own build before, because it kind of intimidates me. So, I bought this pc last year:


I'm not a hard core gamer. In fact I rarely find the time to sit down and actually play. So I wanted something that was capable of playing the few games I did play, but not over spend on something I wasn't going to really use, and this PC seemed to fit exactly what I was looking for.

Well, I've gotta say, I've been super happy with it for the past year, but I'm starting to have some issues. So I'm turning for help and maybe some advise on what I can do. It has started just freezing up when in a game. I mean it's frozen to the point of having to hit the power switch to restart it, because it doesn't respond to anything. I've suspected heating issues, so I downloaded the Core Temp App to monitor the CPU Temps, and sure enough the temps are getting up to about 70-80c. When the temps get up that high, it just freezes up. So I was asking a friend what could be causing the heating issues, and if I should maybe just buy better cooling fans, but he said that the graphics card was pushing the CPU too hard. I've turned down the graphics settings on my games, and it's still heating up. It seems to be getting worse also, so I assume that the CPU might just be ready to give up all together.

What would you suggest I do about this problem? Should I:
- upgrade the CPU? I've looked up the motherboard, and I think I would go with the AMD FX 8370
- Upgrade the Motherboard, Memory, and CPU? I'm on a bit of a budget, so I wouldn't go over the top. Here are the parts I was considering if I went this rout.   https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jjWfgL   (Just remember, I'm new to building, so these parts my not be the optimum parts for what I'm looking for, so any suggestions would be appreciated.). If I went this rout, would these parts I picked work with the components (Graphics card, power supply, etc...) that are already in the machine? Also, would the case work?

Thanks for any help you guys got for me. I'm completely lost in this.
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First of all, I am going to assume your using a 1080p monitor.  Turning down the graphics settings actually causes the gpu to work the cpu harder.  The GPU makes more (and faster requests) for data from the CPU when the work load is lightened by turning down the settings.  This in turn, puts more strain on the CPU.
  Those prebuillt systems often ship with substandard power supplies. Over time, the ripples in power delivery strain the electronic components.
Since your speaking about temps being an issue, Have you opened up the case and cleaned out dust?  Dust causes issues with thermals and eventually ruins machines.  Research how to clean a PC on you tube and give the insides a thorough cleaning with a vaccum and can of air.  Research several videos before you decide which method to use.
As far as upgrading that PC, AMD's FX platform is discontinued.  You could upgrade to an 8350, but honestly, its not worth it.  My old PC is in my signature, and at this point, FX needs to die peacefully.  I loved my 9590 and I did get 5 years of use.  Now, the motherboard has voltage delivery issues and cannot run a decent GPU to save its life. I had to down grade to an old AMD HD 6950 to keep the pc in service.  The 6950's powerdraw is light enough the PCI express power delivery isnt taxed to run it.
To keep your machine running, do a thorough cleaning.  Get a name brand power supply.  Go with a 650 watt with bronze rating minimum.  See if that buys you some time.  The next step in upgrading your machine is AMD Ryzen 5-2600.  That requires a new motherboard, DDR4 Ram and Ryzen CPU.
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Also note, the forums here are more geared towards build recommendations  and ordering new custom pc's built when they're ordered.  There is not a lot of advice regarding upgrading machines.  
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We do give advice on upgrades, just not as many posts requesting. There are only really 2 one would look at. As long as you have a decent quad core and are dealing with just gaming, first the GPU itself the one critical component for any gaming, Second RAM to 16Gb's. Beyond that you really start getting diminishing returns on your dollar and it is worth in the long run to just look at anew system. The only real thing to look at the cpu for is gaining more cores, which has a big effect for multi-taking, 3D work, video processing, with the speed being secondary. More cores the more you can do at once.

You may not really be looking at a mandated upgrade, more just resolving a problem.

We never suggest an off the shelf build, as mentioned you never know what you getting. They don't list components, just general info.

You didn't list your full specs.

You should have at least 3 case fans, if not with AMD having a tendency to run hotter never good for cooling.

What cpu cooler do you have? If a 120mm sealed cooler with a single fan, another no no for an AMD cpu. I would never suggest one for an Intel cpu with a single fan either. If you have one add a second fan to the radiator making it push pull configuration. That should cool things down with the cpu. You still need at least the 3 case fans. If you have a stock cooler you will want to replace it with something like a Coolmaster Hyper EVO 212 or I would look at a 240mm sealed cooler, if your case will fit it.

When did you update your GPU drivers? Often graphics issues (freezes, lock ups) can be tracked to driver related issues.  Here are a couple of links to copy & paste with details on how to track these track down by looking at "dump files"..

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/74712/how-to-find-bsod-error-messages/

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

The PSU was mentioned. Off the shelf systems allow CP to throw in anything they have. By coming here, asking questions first by posting a max budget and what a system is for. The membership chimes in with suggestions for a solid build. Open you case and see what PSU you really have. If it is branded "standard" your running on borrowed time. These provide uneven power (ripples) at best, have a high failure rate and have been known to fry systems. If you have a Thermaltake, XFX, Corsair, EVGA, Coolmaster you should be OK. If not get it out of your system.

Another thing to check is you RAM. Bad RAM sectors can cause all sorts of issues. Here is a link for a free program to check it. You will need to create a bootable CD of flash drive. Plug it in or connect the flash drive to a port. You have to make sure you BIOS is set to boot from the one you use and restart your machine. Once started you want 5 passes. Once done a report will be generated to let you know if you have bad sectors, if so replace it. 
Link.>>> http://www.memtest.org/ 


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Thanks for the replies guys. I'm glad I came here, before deciding to spend money on things I didn't need. I'll open it up, and take a look at what I got, and post the actual specs.
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Ok, so here is my components list. I gave it a good cleaning, and will take it for a test spin in a little bit. Just thought I'd post this first.

Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Motherboard
Adata DDR3 1600 8gx16 Ram
GeForce GTX 1060
Thermaltake 600W PSU
Deepcool CK-AM209 CPU Cooler
Coolermaster Masterfan MF120L x2 (1 exhaust fan in back, and 1 in front)
Dual HP 22CWA monitors

So, the first thing I noticed is that there are just the 2 fans. There is a spot for one on the top of the case, so maybe that will be the first thing I try. 2nd, the front fan was in the bottom position, which was down by the hard drive, so I thought it would create more air flow by moving it up to the top position. Anything else you guys suggest?
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Ok so after giving it a run for about an hour or so, the core temps never got above 50. I guess giving it a good cleaning (and maybe relocating the front fan) did the trick. I'm still going to think about some of your guys' suggestions, and most definitely get a 3rd fan for the top of the case. 
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